Thrall hasn't cornered the market on disappointment in his former protege, for when I
spent 3 hours wiping on him killed him and reaped the benefits I looked back to Blizzard's first attempt at LFR, Dragon Soul, I found myself a little disappointed with the end-all boss of Mists of Pandaria due to his, of all things, loot table.
|The jokes never got old I tell you...|
Don't get me wrong, the fight itself is great and worked out much like Deathwing's; a relatively long, staged fight in which an overconfident LFR group can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the last moments (yes, you read that right). He's not easy, even on LFR, and it felt satisfying to beat him after a string of wipes. Then looking at his drop table, I found myself a little disappointed when I made the comparison to Deathwing. You see, Deathwing exclusively dropped weapons, and not only that, each one was a bit "special". Rather than having some random stats they had some special proc that related to the weapon's use. Healer maces could spray an AoE cone of healing, the two-handed great-sword would summon a tentacle to attack your target (and spawn a thousand tentacle-porn jokes). This continued a trend started in Icecrown Citadel, in which the weapons from the 25-man version regular bosses (not Arthas, though he did drop weapons alone) often had special effects.
|At least it looks cool|
Garrosh on the other hand, drops a few weapons in LFR, plus 90-100 heirlooms in other modes. I think that is an interesting touch and it will make leveling easier for people who get their hands on them (and I'd imagine a few horde players are a little jealous that now alliance can get transmogs of their PvP weapons...if they can be used for it, but even if not, having the skin matters). I was hoping to see some Garrosh/Horde themed weapons with interesting effects, like a corrupted Gorehowl that briefly summons a corrupted orc to fight for you. So I was sad to see a few stat-sticks with somewhat uninteresting appearances on his loot table.
There may have been good reasons, and I don't necessarily mean to say that Blizzard made a poor decision, but in my opinion the "cool" weapons made Deathwing a much more appealing target and felt like a more satisfying "end" to the expansion. In this case I found, after several wipes, that I was losing interest in trying to kill Garrosh in LFR after the first time because his loot was no more interesting than any other boss in the place. Most bosses were substantially easier for the same rewards; Garrosh's don't even have a higher item level. Whereas with Deathwing I had motivation to return each week for an attempt at the "special" weapons.
Yeah, the problem with the special weapons was that their higher ilvl coupled with their proc (or sometimes just their proc) made them better than normal weapons. In this case, it would mean that LFR Garrosh dropped items superior to Flex non-Garrosh weaposn...which is a problem. Would also mean Flex Garrosh > normal non-Garrosh and normal Garrosh > heroic non-Garrosh.ReplyDelete
And I think you're missing something big on that axe...it literally TALKS to you. Y'Shaarj SPEAKS to you through the axe.
Also...just do Flex. The problem with LFR is that it isn't an accomplishment. It's piss easy and is a guaranteed victory eventually with Determination -- so there's no real payoff for your effort, no surge of "YES, WE GOT IT!" or anything similar. At most you get "IT'S FINALLY OVER!"
Well if they gave the special traits to weapons it would have to be across all difficulties so as to not make LFR better than Flex. And I recall them having to nerf the tentacle repeatedly back in Cata days.Delete
I did not know the axe talked to you, so I'll give it that but I kinda miss the other "special" effects.
"Well if they gave the special traits to weapons it would have to be across all difficulties so as to not make LFR better than Flex"ReplyDelete
Not what I said. If you gave LFR Garrosh proc weapons, Flex Garrosh proc weapons would certainly be better.
But LFR Garrosh proc weapons would likely trump Flex weapons that AREN'T Garrosh weapons -- and people doing Flex shouldn't feel obliged to run LFR to get a better weapon from Garrosh than the non-Garrosh flex weapons.
Right now it goes...
Garrosh LFR (better itemization)
Garrosh Flex (better itemization)
Garrosh Normal (better itemization)
Garrosh Heroic (better itemization)
With procs it might look like...
Garrosh LFR (procs)
Garrosh Flex (procs)
Garrosh Normal (procs)
Garrosh Heroic (procs)
See the issue?
Ahh my mistake, but I am not sure that Blizzard could not adequately balance the items between tiers, so as to ensure a trend akin to:Delete
Garrosh LFR (Procs)
I mean, they always run the risk of imbalance then they add anything that is not a flat stat upgrade.
Precisely -- and look at trinkets, where they already did this sort of thing.Delete
This is why heroic raiders are pissed off about trinkets -- they put in LFR trinkets that trump everything but better versions of those trinkets. As in a 528 LFR trinket is better than three different 566 trinkets.
Yeah I recall GC's tweet about it; still, personally preference is that I'd rather see that kind of thing on weapons from the last boss than trinkets scattered around the raid. I mean, if they're going to make something that breaks the trend we talked about, seems better to make it come off Garrosh.Delete